What's The Point?!
š Welcome to Whatās The Point?! The podcast all about Five Element Acupuncture, what it is, how it works & what exactly is the point in doing it?!
We believe that Five Element Acupuncture can be misunderstood and underrepresented. So we decided to create this podcast with the intention of providing a better understanding of the many benefits of Five Element treatment and creating more public awareness.
Hosted by Ben Worsley (Musician & receiver of Five Element Acupuncture) & Gabriella Doran (a Five Element Acupuncturist & Ben's Acupuncturist!)
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What's The Point?!
What Is Five Element Acupuncture?!
šŖ” In this week's episode What Is Five Element Acupuncture?!, the hosts elaborate further on Five Element Acupuncture, a unique approach to medicine. Ben starts by asking Gabriella about the basics of acupuncture, the insertion of needles into specific points on the body to influence the flow of Qi and restore health. Gabriella, with over 20 years of experience in Five Element Acupuncture, describes its focus on observing how nature manifests in individuals.
They touch upon the differences between Five Element Acupuncture and other acupuncture styles, noting the emphasis on treating the root cause rather than just symptoms. They discuss the multitude of acupuncture points and the idea that treating the individual's underlying imbalance can address multiple symptoms simultaneously.
In the second part, the hosts hypothesise on how the points and meridian system might have been discovered. They also touch upon the transition of Five Element Acupuncture from the East to the West, crediting JR Worsley for popularising it in Western countries. Ben, whose late grandfather was JR Worsley, and Gabriella, who has extensive training in this tradition, share anecdotes about him and the challenges he faced in promoting acupuncture during a time when it was often regarded as quackery.
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Pt.1
Ben: So, What Is Five Element Acupuncture?
Gabriella: Well first we need to ask the question, what Is Acupuncture? In short, Acupuncture is a form of medicine where needles are inserted into points on the body called acupuncture points, that affect our vital life force or flow of Qi in order to restore health. Five Element Acupuncture is one type of acupuncture. A few other types of acupuncture include TCM, or Traditional Chinese Medicine, Stems and Branches and Japanese Acupuncture, to name a few.
In this and coming episodes, weāll be introducing you to the basic theory behind the type of acupuncture known as āFive Element Acupuncture.ā Why not other types? Did you even know there were different types of acupuncture? I didnāt when I decided to train. The first thing I heard at the introductory day held by one of the colleges I was thinking of applying to was āthis is different to other types of acupunctureā - I managed not to let on that Iād got there and didnāt even know that! My acupuncturist had recommended it, it happened to be a Five Element school and by the end of the day I was hooked. I needed no more introductory days - this was the one for me, and still is. Iāve not looked back once and thought I should have studied something else. There was a deep resonation - now not to say that other types of acupuncture donāt help people, they must do, but for me, this was clearly my calling. The reason Iām not talking about other types of acupuncture is because Iām not qualified to. And we donāt like someone whoās not an expert in a particular area pretending they know something about it, do we?
Ben: Hmmā¦ Now when has that happened in recent times?
Gabriella: I couldnāt possibly say, Benā¦ Anywayā¦ Five Element Acupuncture is the one Iām trained in and the one I know something about, having practiced it for the past 20 years. So this podcast isnāt a ācompare and contrastā. Itās what Iād love to share with you and why I love Five Element Acupuncture, and the reason Iāve chosen to spend the rest of my life practicing and teaching it. What I can say is that all types of acupuncture recognise there are meridians or pathways of energy within the body that we can affect using acupuncture needles, and that the different types of acupuncture use the points along these meridians in different ways.
Ben: Physiotherapists and osteopaths use acupuncture too, donāt they?
Gabriella: Ah, good point, Ben. When practitioners of other medical disciplines use acupuncture needles, in most cases they arenāt actually needling into acupuncture points, they needle ātrigger pointsā, which are tender and knotted areas in your muscles. Putting needles into them can relax them and bring some pain relief, but itās important to be clear that this is a different practice to what a trained acupuncturist will do, and is normally known as ādry needlingā to differentiate it from āacupunctureā.
Ben: Thanks for clarifying. So, tell me more about Five Element acupuncture
Gabriella: Five Element Acupuncture is a system of medicine that is based on observing how nature is manifesting in the human who is being treated, so it focuses on the person who has the disease, not the disease that has the person. It is simply based on the laws of nature, and I donāt believe it takes much of a leap of faith to see why it makes so much sense once we know a little bit more about how it works.
Ben: What do you mean by the laws of nature Gabriella?
Gabriella: Well, we are beings of nature. There are very few people around now who donāt believe that we have evolved from the simplest single cell organisms over billions of years.
Ben: You mean we werenāt dropped onto the planet into volcanoes by celestial aliens then?
Gabriella: No, Ben. The only place we could have come from is nature, as life on our planet has spread and adapted to different environments, climates and conditions. So, it makes sense to me that medicine would seek to understand our bodies within the context of nature. Forces in nature flow within us and affect us as do they affect every living thing on the planet. Itās mind-blowing how little difference there truly is between us and all other life. Although is it? All life on this planet can be traced back to common ancestors, those tiny single cell bacteria that first appeared billions of years ago. And over all this time, nature has evolved an all-over pretty good design - it absolutely boggles my mind when I think of the fact we have around 30 trillion cells in our bodies let alone the myriad of functions that go on within us every single second to keep us alive and functioning.
Ben: Lots of people believe itās God who created everything.
Gabriella: Of course. And thatās a big discussion that arguably no one has a concrete answer to. Science hasnāt proven the existence of God, but it has also not proven Godās non-existence. What if, at least for the purpose of this podcast, we put this question aside, and concentrate on what is tangible, which are the laws of nature (perhaps nature IS God?) and move on to deeper metaphysical questions a bit further down the line?
Throughout this podcast I may use terms like āI believeā or āwe sayā. Just to set things straight, I am most definitely of firm standing that what Iām talking about IS so and not just a āmaybeā. But out of respect to those who donāt believe or need āproofā, I may use language that implies Iām not a firm believer. I invite all, willing sceptics included, to listen with an open mind and draw your own conclusions. Or ask your own questions. Letās talk about this and see if there really is a point to it all.
Ben: Haha pun intended there Gabriella?
Gabriella: Well-spotted Ben, and talking of points, did you know that nature gave us 670 little points of energy all over the body, from the top of the head to tips of fingers and toes? These little points are connected to each other, along little tiny rivers of energy running all over our bodies, a bit like the tube map of London. We call them acupuncture points, if we visualise the tube map super-imposed on our body, they are like the stations, some giving access to other lines.
Ben: So whereās Piccadilly Circus on me then?
Gabriella: Very funny Benā¦ moving on ā¦ I imagine an acupuncture point like a little tiny whirlpool - whirlpools have an incredible amount of energy harnessed in them. These points arenāt just sitting there waiting for an acupuncturist to come along and stick a needle in them, they are firing off themselves hundreds maybe thousands of times a day, constantly rebalancing and replenishing the energy thatās available to us. Each point gives us something unique and together they give us all we need in order to function in good health: body, mind and spirit.
Ben: So why is anyone ever ill then?
Gabriella: I love this quote from the Dalai Lama: āWhat surprises me most is āManā because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he doesnāt enjoy the present; The result being he doesnāt live in the present or the future; He lives as if heās never going to die, and then he dies having never really lived.ā
Ben: So our constant striving for financial gains within our capitalist system is what makes us ill? We do need money to pay our acupuncturists though Gabriella!
Gabriella: You raise an excellent umm āpoint,ā (Ben groans) Ben! Sticking the needle in again eh? But itās not all about paying acupuncturists, the stresses and strains of life as well as environmental factors, our lifestyles, diet, pathogenic diseases, or the genetic potential each of us is born with, the ageing process etc etc all have a bearing on our health. However the Chinese, thousands of years ago, discovered that when we touch an acupuncture point with a needle, it can encourage it to release a little of its energy, (we call it Qi energy and weāll talk about more it in a future episode), which in turn can adjust the balance in that person and help them to feel better. Or the person may not even have been unwell. Sometimes long before someone actually feels a symptom, nature sends out signals that its natural order has started to go off balance in that person. The well-trained acupuncturist can detect these signals, recognise where the imbalance is coming from and select the best points to restore that balance and therefore encourage the health of that patient to return.
Oh, and just in case there are any pedantic acupuncturists out there listening, yes, the number of points is 361, but of course the 12 meridians are bilateral, so offer us 618 points that we can access, while the channels of energy running down the midline just have one point per number. There are also of course points off the general meridian system, but for the benefit of those people listening who arenāt practitioners, letās just start with the basics!
Ben: But if the points are firing off all the time, how come we donāt feel it?
Gabriella: Do we feel our spleen working? Or blood circulating? Or food passing through our alimentary canal? Most of the time weāre not even aware of our heartbeat, the loudest rhythm in our body. Itās the same thing - one of those habitual events that our brains donāt alert us to. I think weād go bonkers if we were aware of every single little event in our bodies! People do often say they feel a nice, tingling sensation in their bodies after treatment, which comes from increased energy circulating, putting a little extra fire into those points!
Ben: OK, so what makes Five Element different to other types of acupuncture?
Gabriella: As Iāve said before, because Iām not trained in other methods of acupuncture, itās not fair for me to describe them. However, treating the root cause seems to be a fundamental difference as opposed to treating symptoms directly. Five Element Acupuncture addresses the underlying imbalance thus often treating far beyond one single symptom.
Ben: So by treating the cause, all the symptoms are treated at one time?
Gabriella: Thatās it, and whatās more, treatment can have a much longer lasting effect. And the cause of one condition, letās say migraines, the cause of migraines could be completely different in each person. So, Iām not treating migraines, Iām treating the unique individual who has the migraines. The beauty of it is that the person with the migraines might also have, letās say, painful, irregular periods and frequent urinary tract infections. A Western approach would require a different treatment and possibly a different doctor or specialist for all of these conditions, whereas in Five Element Acupuncture, by using one single treatment method administered by one practitioner, we can see all three of these improve at once and Iāve seen this many times in practice. In my Five Element Acupuncturistās mind, Iām not thinking āhmmm, migraine, letās use migraine points, or painful period points, or urinary tract infection points. Iām selecting points that get that personās innate healing system working again, so allowing the body to heal itself. And they are very likely to be different points for each person who has the āsameā condition.
Ben: And how long does it take to get better?
Gabriella: Oooo Great question, Ben! And why do you think I canāt give you an exact answer to that one?
Ben: Ummā¦ because weāre all unique individuals?
Gabriella: Exactly! And because apparently, Rome wasnāt built in a day, likewise it can take time to reverse weeks, months, years or even lifetimes of imbalance in nature. And, youāre absolutely right, we are all unique and so our own path to greater well-being doesnāt take a fixed amount of time. Weāve been so conditioned to think of treatment in numbers like sixes or twelves, āa course of treatmentā.
We think of āgetting thereā - but where is there? Why limit ourselves to this destination called āthere?ā Yes, of course, we want to be not having those stomach pains, say, but letās think about a continuing journey, with no final destination, just stops along the way. And thereās no reason things have to grind to a halt at a particular stop! We can get to one place and then realise we could go further, a bit like places on our beautiful planet. Florence is gorgeous but it doesnāt mean we donāt also want to go to Seville, New Orleans and maybe even Kathmandu too!
Ben: Are these all places youāve been to by any chance Gabriella?
Gabriella: So many places to visit! Life will always have its ups and downs, things that throw us off balance, so Five Element Acupuncture is a perfect companion to assist us in navigating our lives.
What I normally say to people when they ask, because I do understand people want a general idea of how long before this debilitating thing improves - is initially to commit to one session a week, 6 to 8 weeks consecutively. Most people feel some change during this time, sometimes quite dramatic change can happen quite quickly, and other times itās a longer path to balance and build up the energy. Remember that in most cases, the symptom or problem didnāt just start yesterday or last week even. People come with often chronic conditions that have lasted weeks, months or years. Itās not reasonable to expect these to miraculously disappear overnight (although occasionally it can be very quick). Many variables come into play, including how much the person is willing to make changes that will enhance their potential for greater well-being. However, many people feel a sense of hope as they embark on this treatment even when all hope was seemingly lost, and so many times that hope is fulfilled and the patient recovers. As the person starts to feel better, we gradually space out the treatments, eventually reaching a frequency that works well for each individual to maintain how well they feel. I have treatment once a month, for example. Some come every couple of weeks, some come once every two or three months.
Ben: So once youāve started, do you have to come forever?
Gabriella: Funnily enough, I donāt have a supply of balls and chains in my cupboard to hold onto my patients Ben! Itās personal choice, but many see - and feel - the wisdom in maintaining the balance theyāve invested in and choose to continue, seeing it as an important and sometimes the main part of maintaining their health and well being.
Pt 2
Ben: So how on Earth did the ancients discover this āmeridian systemā in the first place, let alone that it could be used as an effective way of treating people?
Gabriella: Thatās a great question and the answer isā¦ drum rollā¦ I havenāt got a clue! But, I have pondered and speculated over the two plus decades that Iāve been doing this, and as my own sensitivity to Qi energy has increased, Iāve come up with my own thoughts on the matter. Letās think about a wild animal, or perhaps better still letās think about an animal many of us have easy access to observe, one of our own pets for example.
Iāll talk about cats, because yes I am one of those devoted ones known as a ācat slaveā - although being a Leo, apparently Iām a cat as well! Iām really just the top cat in the home that I share with 3 other cats (but donāt tell them).
I digress. Cats use their senses to navigate their way through life. I can come home after a long day at the clinic, full of love for my babies, and yet immediately sense their suspicion. They can smell that Iāve been unfaithful the very moment they come to greet me. And yes, I had just spent a few moments petting the cute white cat down the road (affectionately known to us as Steve Bushemi). Their sense of smell is so acute that instantly my unfaithful misdemeanour is outed.
I plonk my bags down and pop to the loo. No need to switch the light on, Iāve made that trip enough times in the dark that I know it by heart. Within seconds, Toulouse, my large ginger cat, has accurately landed on my knee. He doesnāt need light either. He uses his sense of smell and highly sensitive whiskers to gauge exactly how to land, two paws purrfectly placed on each of my knees. I hear a rustling from the bag Iād thrown down in my haste - dammit! Momo is already onto the fact thereās some chicken Iād got for my dinner in there, despite it being āprotectedā in a shrink-wrapped plastic box.
Ben: Gabriella, youāre starting to sound a little like a crazy cat ladyā¦
Gabriella: Meow! No seriously, there is method in my madness Ben. Werenāt our senses just as acute as those of my cats many years back when we were more ābeings of natureā? Our evolution has involved changes in how much significance the brain allocates to each sense. Itās a well known fact that if you lose a sense, sight for example, your other senses like smell and hearing become more enhanced. So way back, when we didnāt have the multitude of stimulation that we live with today, I believe we were more able to sense this energy. And so IF we do have a meridian system of energetic pathways, (which of course I say we do) and that gives off some form of sensation, light, or warmth, then of course the ancients were able to track it down, just like an animal can track its prey, or suss out its unfaithful mistress stroke cat slave. How in the world they discovered the nature of each of the points is another question and I havenāt got a clue how they did that.
Ben: So if this is all Chinese theory, how did it get over here to the West?
Gabriella: Five Element Acupuncture made its way into the West early last century and more prominently so in the 1950ās and 60ās when somebody called JR Worsleyā¦
Ben: Who just so happens to be my late Grandfatherā¦
Gabriella: I thought your surname sounded familiar! Well heās the person credited with bringing it from the East and teaching it widely in the West. So the legacy and practice of this ancient medicine continues. Your grandfather, JR Worsley had extensive training in the far east, and was taught a lineage that was passed down to him via interpreters, as he didnāt speak Chinese. Because of his immense skill in observing nature he readily understood the concepts taught to him, and integrated them into the system we know today as Classical Five Element Acupuncture. What do you remember about him Ben?
Ben: He passed away when I was still relatively quite young, so I donāt have too many memories of him, to little Ben he was just my Grandad and I wasnāt too aware of who he was really. Now knowing who he was and what he went through to popularise the medicine, I admire how he stood firm in his convictions that this medicine really worked and despite all the abuse and backlash he received, he wasnāt deterred. I remember stories my Dad used to tell me about how back in the 60ās people would cross the street when they saw him coming as they thought he was a witch and that they would be cursed.
Gabriella: Sounds more like 1660 not 1960!
Ben: Right? Look how far the attitude towards this medicine has come since then.
Gabriella: Yes. And for him to come from a working class background in Coventry, to go on to become a master of this style of acupuncture in times when this medicine was looked upon as quackery, and then to create a college to help spread it far and wide is admirable.
Ben: It does make me proud to be his Grandson. Did you ever meet him?
Gabriella: I only met him three times, as I came into this medicine in the very latter years of his life. What I remember most was my consultation with him in Leamington Spa. I have two memories of this meeting that have stayed with me all these years. The first is how when he took my pulses, it felt like his fingers were landing on my wrists like a butterfly - so light - something Iāve kept in mind and aimed for over the years in my own pulse taking practice. Pulse taking is one of the most important parts of our practice, as it gives us information on the state of the Qi energy that we are working with during the treatment process, but more on this further down the line after Iāve explained more of the basic theory.
My second memory of JR (as he was affectionately known in our community) was when he looked in my eyes to see if I had a particular energetic block - again, I will explain more about what blocks are further down the line. I remember an incredible vision as I looked back into his eyes. His irises seemed to be expanding and for a brief moment I felt kind of engulfed in a celestial ocean!
Sometimes I think it would have been nice to have been around a few years earlier and experience his teaching first hand but itās great that his daughter HIlary among others that he taught are still practising and teaching and I can still learn so much from them! One thing I heard is that to the end of his life, he said he was a student of Five Element Acupuncture, and that I admire, because why should we sit on our laurels and think we know it all? The thought of never stopping learning and bettering myself, excites me, so I too am a student of Five Element Acupuncture and Iām grateful that by virtue of his work, I too have become a practitioner.
Ben: And boy am I glad you did, so now I get to have you as my acupuncturist!
Gabriella: Happy to needle you any day, Ben!
Ben: So generousā¦ anyway, youāve told us that Five Element Acupuncture stimulates acupuncture points that promote natural healing energy in us, but you havenāt told us how.
Gabriella: Patience, Ben! It takes a bit longer than a single podcast episode to explain an entire system of medicine!
Ben: Not fair!
Gabriella: Incorrigible! Rest assured that each week Iāll be revealing a little more of this fascinating theory so with a little patience youāll gain a greater understanding of how sticking an extremely thin needle into specific points on the body can not only heal our physical ailments but can help our mental health and even lead us to transform our lives! And maybe even make impatient patients patient!
Conclusion
Ben: So, whatās the point?! Why bother with Five Element Acupuncture?
Gabriella: Well, to conclude, Five Element Acupuncture is really far reaching and can help the whole state of a person improve, so promoting an all round sense of well being.
Ben: Yes. We also touched on the basics of acupuncture, the type of medicine which involves inserting needles into specific points on the body to influence the flow of Qi, our vital life force, and promote health.
Gabriella: That's right, Ben. We then delved deeper into Five Element Acupuncture, a unique approach that focuses on the individual and their relationship with the natural world. Nature is a profound source of inspiration for this ancient practice, and it's awe-inspiring to reflect on the intricate balance and design that nature created within our bodies.
Ben: We hope you enjoyed this introduction to Five Element Acupuncture and we invite you, whether youāre a seasoned acupuncture enthusiast, or a skeptic, to join us on this journey of exploration and discovery. In the next episode, āHow Does Five Element Acupuncture Help?ā weāll hear some diverse examples of how this medicine has helped people of all different shapes & sizes.
Gabriella: And there are as many potential cases as there are individuals in the world, because Five Element Acupuncture is all about the unique individual. Iāll narrow it down though to fit into one episode, so I can give you an idea of the very broad range of reasons people seek my help.
Ben: And with that, we'll say goodbye for now.
Gabriella: Feel free to get in touch with us if you have any questions or suggestions. Stay tuned for our upcoming episodes and please consider subscribing or becoming a patron to gain access to our bonus episodes and have your questions answered by us.
Ben: Until then, take care and keep on pondering the mysteries of life!
Gabriella: Bye for now!